I have no idea why you're being downvoted. HN has a fetish for SIMD, but if you are hand-rolling SIMD and you aren't writing an explicit acceleration library, you're doing it wrong. Like, 100% of the time.
Every modern language has a vectorization optimizing compiler, and through some fairly straightforward techniques this is automagic. And contrary to the various replies, unless you screwed something up compilers are really good at vectorizing on whatever hardware you're targeting, including SVE.
> The actual EUV light source is developed and produced in California by Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013.
Cymer was one of multiple vendors (Gigaphoton, XTREME) providing this sort of light source, and ASML acquired it because it couldn't achieve what they wanted (they needed 100+W and Cymer could only achieve 15W). ASML needed to control and fund the company, and add engineering talent, to achieve what they actually needed.
Oh and ASML bought Cymer because Gigaphoton (another company at basically the same stage of development as Cymer), being a Japanese company, objected to foreign control. Though if ASML knew the protectionist, insular direction the US was going to go they probably would rethink their past decisions.
So this retconning that Cymer is really the secret magic of ASML and the Netherlands is just stealing US ingenuity is hilarious stuff.
And for that matter, it is amazing how so often we hear about "American" tech that is actually overwhelmingly combining acquisitions and manpower from abroad. Like is an iPhone an "American" creation? LOL, no.
> the secret magic of ASML and the Netherlands is just stealing US ingenuity is hilarious stuff.
I never said anything about ASML stealing technology or ingenuity. The point is that EUV photolithography is an international effort. The machines don't exist at all without about 6 different countries contributing technology and expertise.
ASML has certainly proven itself to be a very capable integrator of many international technologies and processes.
reason why US didn't produce most of these component because US gov didn't continue investment so privately owned enterprise take over from there namely ASML
that also reason why US can restrict EUV sales to china
isnt DUV and EUV technologies discovered and developed by US national labs (LLNL, LBNL, Sandia) in cooperation with EUV Consortsium funded by US Chipmakers (Intel, AMD, Motorola) and licenced to Cymer?
EUV was "invented" (demonstrated) in Japan first, though those US labs did a lot of work on the overall lithography system and reflective optics to put it into practice. The US DOE along with the manufacturers made a consortium (EUV LLC consortium) to commercialize/scale that Japanese technology because they could obviously see the promise, and Cymer is a member, as was ASML already via SVG.
Simultaneously Japan created its own initiative (EUVA), and Gigaphoton didn't rely upon the US initiative at all. And again in an alternate universe -- one where Japan isn't protectionist and Cymer wasn't out of financial runway and desperate -- we'd be talking about how ASML is really Japanese tech, etc.
The distillation explanation is classic American exceptionalism: No one could possibly do anything unless they were copying American leaders (where "American" means a bunch of Chinese, Canadian, Europeans and Indians working in the US).
It's also a bit of securities defensiveness. Pretending that you really do have a super moat, people just keep swimming in it so you just need to add more alligators.
It's farcical. Anyone who has worked on large models knows that the premise that an almost-Fable model was trained with distillation is beyond ridiculous. It's theoretically possible if they spent tens of billions of dollars on API calls, but it isn't the magic that somehow these people keep convincing people it is.
Previously Anthropic has reported on some Chinese firms doing chicken-shit level of API calls, that at most would be doing some Q and A or final fine tuning. The notion that they're training these models via it is fantastically ignorant nonsense that only very ill-informed and gullible people fall for.
> Previously Anthropic has reported on some Chinese firms doing chicken-shit level of API calls, that at most would be doing some Q and A or final fine tuning
"Anthropic said the campaign was conducted between April 22 and June 5, 2026, and generated more than 28.8 million exchanges with Claude through almost 25,000 fraudulent accounts."
I don't know why you're trying to downplay it.
European models are so far behind because they don't resort to these tactics on a massive scale. Basically every other country is entirely dependent on 2 countries for frontier AI.
> European models are so far behind because they don't resort to these tactics on a massive scale. Basically every other country is entirely dependent on 2 countries for frontier AI.
You may or may not be factually correct in your other points, but you're really proving the GP's point here regarding American exceptionalism.
Ignoring that I have literally zero trust in anything Anthropic has to say on this -- they have been doing the hysterical routine and trying to get every bit of government granted monopoly they can[1] -- those numbers still simply aren't that impressive.
>European models are so far behind because...
What a non-sequitur. Europe, like much of the West, foolishly delegated tech, media, payment systems, etc, to the United States. European efforts on this are poorly funded, poorly capitalized, and marginal efforts.
China is very much not Europe. China is looking to leave the US to the dustbin of history, and their efforts are a little more concerted.
[1] Surely Americans are aware that Anthropic and OpenAI are both very close to getting the US government to ban and fully criminalize the open Chinese models, right?
> Europe, like much of the West, foolishly delegated tech, media, payment systems, etc, to the United States.
No they didn't. Europe has played a role in building all of these. Especially from the software side.
Also anyone that doesn't like the US is free to stop using any American website, device, or service. There are alternatives to everything. For instance I do not like Meta, I refuse to use any of their websites or devices. The domains are blocked on my LAN.
> Anthropic and OpenAI are both very close to getting the US government to ban and fully criminalize the open Chinese models
This is complete nonsense. First of all most Americans don't give a shit about AI companies like it's a sport and those are our teams we have to support. Second the hysteria around AI is mostly from non-Americans that are completely out of the AI race worried about losing access to good models. That is valid, but also it needs to be recognized.
Yes, they did. Like, look around. Clearly the Western world foolishly and very short-sightedly allowed the US the reigns on far too many things, to its disadvantage.
It is unwinding, but it turns out that having decades of intertwining takes a while to undo.
>Also anyone that doesn't like the US is free to stop using any American website, device, or service.
What an idiotic, useless bit of pablum to throw in there. Back to 4chan with you.
> What an idiotic, useless bit of pablum to throw in there. Back to 4chan with you.
You want to hate the US but don't want the personal inconvenience of moving away from the daily sites and apps you use. How are these alternatives to american tech going to get enough users if someone like yourself who seems to have a hate boner for the US can't even leave a message board?
The orange idiot can say whatever he wants. The first amendment makes any ban unconstitutional. US companies being advised about potential backdoors in the models isn't a bad thing, even if I personally think it's FUD, open weights is not open source.
Models don't have some self identity, beyond what is explicitly handed to them via a system prompt. There have been many, many cases of models identifying as different models by different makers as a basic identity hallucination. They train on enormous volumes of data including lots of people talking about certain makers and models (ChatGPT was actually a super common one given that it became the kleenex of the LLM world). Hence why vendors have to specifically tell it to override that, and if they don't you get lots of funny cases of identity confusion.
This isn't the big gotcha some people seem to think it is, and the whole news cycle about that was mostly by people who have no idea what they're talking about. It's actually a meaningless data point. But it's precisely the sorts of people who think that a few thousand free accounts surreptitiously snuck off with Fable.
Good article. I think a lot of people in the software development field should ponder over "No. 0002. Preserving problems", because a lot of rhetoric is basically advancing this position.
Software development traditionally is expensive, slow, adapts poorly, and so on. This worked in our favour as it gave us high paying jobs where we could always blame a framework, Microsoft, whatever, and estimate a week to move a button. These people are the ones who are the loudest at filling the silence with anti-AI propaganda because they desperately want to hold onto that problem.
Apple has an architecture license agreement that extends "past 2040" (their phrasing), and it requires Apple to pay ARM ~$0.30 per device sold.
Apple can do whatever they want with the cores, but they do have to pay for the privilege and do have a future expiry to worry about, though it's far enough off that it certainly isn't pressing.
Campaign? They're friends of the administration, and the US is firmly in the kleptocracy stage now (the last wrungs of democracy are about to be undone this Thursday evening).
They'll give a bribe to Trump, they'll offer up 5% of the stock to Chairman Trump as the People's Stock now that the US is basically a bizarre oligarchy form of communism, and Oracle will be declared a state enterprise that cannot lose money.
The super rich simply do not fail, and they utterly control every aspect of the US now, exactly as the people apparently wanted.
Americans are in a state of profound denial, but things are about to become very real, very quickly.
Nah, they tried the invulnerable thing. They tried really, really hard to avoid the "chaos in the White House" firings from the first term. Noem wrecked it.
Yeah, she wrecked it by having the audacity to be a woman, while Patel and Hegseth seem to be "invulnerable" despite being incompetent train wrecks themselves.
> They'll give a bribe to Trump, they'll offer up 5% of the stock to Chairman Trump as the People's Stock now that the US is basically a bizarre oligarchy form of communism, and Oracle will be declared a state enterprise that cannot lose money.
A little bit dangerous for a US administration (any US administration) to do a bailout of unloved companies just before a midterm.
Not that Trump won't do it, just saying that he'll think twice about it if he wants to hold on to the power that the American people have given him. It's one thing to boast that he can shoot someone in the street and the public won't care, quite another to tell the masses that he's funding their upcoming unemployment using their tax money :-)
The Republican strategy has moved away from swaying public opinion for a while now. Now their strategy is to manipulate voting maps, intimidate voters and suppress votes in areas likely to vote against them.
The Iran war is unpopular, but they did it anyway.
It doesn't matter anyway. The US is done. The empire's peak was towards the end of last century. That's one reason the nostalgia play works so well. A Trump supporter in 2026 can see that their past looks better than their future, they're just wrong to imagine that they can do anything about that.
I think it's interesting to analyse Xi, who unlike Trump is aware that the US is failing and that most likely China will dominate a future global economy, but who must by now be wondering what an inevitable decline looks like for China. Can he postpone it somehow? Are its seeds ultimately in something he will do, or worse has already done? That's not a happy thought is it?
The UK empire is considered by many to have ended in 1947 with the independence of India. Others say it was finally finished in 1997 with Hong Kong. Either way the UK is still around and while things aren't rosy, they still trudge along and will continue to do so.
Meanwhile the US's "supposed upcoming ending" puts them in a better position than the UK was in many different categories. It still has massive resources, amazing talent and a citizenry with an "ambitious" can do attitude vs the "tall poppy syndrome" of the UK. Its difficult to argue that there is an exact end date thats occurring now. To say its all over and that there isn't a second story coming seems premature.
Re China: This is a country that has overexpanded in infrastructure which will come home to roost sooner or later, has a terrible demographic structural collapse looming with no realistic way to correct(unlike the US which has options to correct), has overinvested in so many industries that they are experiencing massive (25%) youth unemployment with deflation occurring. They have serious problems coming in the next few decades.
Obviously the UK didn't vanish in a puff of smoke and nor will the US. America doesn't cease to exist it is just gradually ceasing to matter as I said.
I guess I didn't explain it clearly enough. For the US to stop mattering some other big guy will have to start mattering. I just don't see any country really taking on that mantle anytime soon. Maybe we are in a global decline and the only goal for the two big gorillas in the world is to outlast the other and only after that worry about what comes next.
> This is a country that has overexpanded in infrastructure which will come home to roost sooner
Man, we've been hearing this same tale for decades. China is always at the edge of some massive collapse any day now. Meanwhile the US goods trade deficit is literally worse than ever, the deficit is $2 trillion dollars and the debt is consuming more and more of federal income just to maintain. The US equities market is a giant inflated balloon and no one even pretends to rationalize it anymore. Leadership in the US is now banana-republic level corrupt, in the open and shamelessly. Yeah, this is not the time to be throwing rocks.
> has a terrible demographic structural collapse looming with no realistic way to correct
I mean...not only is China becoming a pretty desirable country for many of the world's residents, they could...have more children. If China decided to turn the corner and get back to maintenance levels, I 100% believe they could do it almost overnight.
The US? Yeah, the US is a free-for-all hyper-selfish, short-sighted end-game right now.
>China is always at the edge of some massive collapse any day now.
Yeah but my comment "This is a country that has overexpanded in infrastructure which will come home to roost sooner" is just common sense. What happened in the developed world will eventually catch up China. Every bit of 'matter' in an empire has a cost: the cost to push back entropy. Their strategy of just rushing to overbuild without thoughtful planning makes everything look wildly impressive today but tomorrow is different and this story has played out in every single country in existence before. Everything has to be maintained and that long tail is something every country deals with. What make you think China is some special animal?
>Meanwhile the US goods trade deficit is literally worse than ever, the deficit is $2 trillion dollars and the debt is consuming more and more of federal income just to maintain. The US equities market is a giant inflated balloon and no one even pretends to rationalize it anymore. Leadership in the US is now banana-republic level corrupt, in the open and shamelessly. Yeah, this is not the time to be throwing rocks.
Now you are conflating two different ideas: infrastructure vs investment. Lets address them separately. Yes the US equities market is overinflated. Meanwhile no one even wants the Chinese currency. Not even the Chinese. Obviously China can live with this because they have the large market and manufacturing prowess to fall back on but long term the fact that no one trusts them enough to invest in their country will hamper the growth. It goes back to my original idea: Maybe the US does not need to shine, it just needs to outlast China to buy time to slowly fix itself over another century. China winning the race is not a foregone conclusion.
>I mean...not only is China becoming a pretty desirable country for many of the world's residents, they could...have more children. If China decided to turn the corner and get back to maintenance levels, I 100% believe they could do it almost overnight.
What are you smoking? China is not welcoming to immigrants. China has very strict scrutiny of applications for Chinese citizenship. Unless you are married to a Chinese citizen, are a senior scientist, or make significant contributions to China, you can at most obtain a Chinese permanent residence permit, not citizenship. Looking at the most recent numbers of permanent resident it is less than 10,000 total people...in a country the size of China it might as well be a rounding error.
The time to have more children was 18 years ago. Not sure if you know but it takes 18 years to go from birth to adult. The point of having people is so they participate in the economy, they become the workers, the consumers, and the defense. A country is nothing but a bunch of people. No people: no actual country.
The crisis is locked in now: look at the population pyramid: https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/ The "peak" of their population was 2021, since then their population has consistently declined: old people dying off and not being replaced by young people or immigrants. By the 2100 unless they figure out how to grow humans in a factory they will have lost ~800 MILLION people!
As close to perfect growth as possible. No over representation of any group. The US has had this blessing in that they could cheat and attract enough people as immigrants to make up for any decline in native births. It gets even better! Not only do they get people at their prime age they didn't even have to spend the resources to raise the person for the first 18 years of their life, some other sucker country did all the work and the benefit goes to the US. They only let in as much as they need and it forms a perfect pyramid. Stable growth and stable population sizes. You can argue that maybe Trump has started to derail this but again...you cannot compare China to the US at all.
Yeah, it does matter. I don't know why you think the USA's world super power status is the only thing that matters. People still live here, and will continue to live here despite the USA's relevance.
> A little bit dangerous for a US administration (any US administration) to do a bailout of unloved companies just before a midterm.
You think there will be a free and fair election? Do Americans realize that Trump has openly floated pardons to anyone in his circle? What do you think all of his "every election that I/we don't win is corrupt" rhetoric -- dangerous, grossly unacceptable, anti-democratic horseshit -- is all leading to?
Trump has done brazenly criminal things, repeatedly. He is pardoning anyone who bribes him. He lies with every utterance from his garbage mouth. He doesn't even attempt to pretend that he's delivering his promises now. Congress has completely abdicated any and all responsibility. His entire administration is just shockingly, unbelievably incompetent, from Epstein-Island Nutlick, to Kegsbreath the ChatGPT warrior weakling dipshit.
Remember how outraged everyone was about Hunter Biden selling a painting, or Pelosi trading stocks? ROFL, how bucolic and corruption-lite that is compared to having a crypto-rug pull, inside trader and his family of halfwit runts running around destroying the US for their own family fortunes.
This Thursday evening is going to be eye opening for a lot of Americans that have tried to delude themselves into thinking they're getting lulz for a couple of years. It is shocking that people still pretend you're a democracy, or even capitalist for that matter. The US is post capitalism, and the plutocrats have decided to be done with this whole democracy farce.
It remains shocking that Americans would re-elect this garbage racist self-dealing criminal imbecile again. And I would like to say "you get the government you deserve", only the US is now a worldwide menace so the entire planet will suffer from this idiocracy.
Trump is currently having an armoured facade installed on the front of the Whitehouse, alongside the very well documented bunker complex. Do Americans really not realize what this is actually for?
By "marketing" do you mean "experience"? Because absolutely no one is marketing apps as being superior, but instead this is just the experience of users.
There's a weird conspiratorial thing that people do about this whole topic that is so easily debunked. For instance "Apple wanted apps more than PWAs!". Android powers about 73% of the world's smartphones, yet PWAs are irrelevant on the platform.
Web apps can be incredibly powerful, but there's just a massively lower bar in the web app domain, historically. Like people are used to the website being dogshit, a mishmash of broken functionality, terrible layout quirks, slow responsiveness, and so on. Because that is generally acceptable to the web community, where it is deadly to an app.
Like I think it's hilariously ironic that the website telling us that the app could have been a website is currently completely broken, unable to handle a relatively tiny amount of traffic.
Yes, "marketing". Ability to market your business, not marketing the concept of an app.
Businesses have an app developed because they feel the market demands it. Their marketing departments feel they have to be able to tell prospective customers "we have an app!" and if they can't, they feel they'll be seen as inferior, not with the times, thereby losing customers.
I totally agree with the article that apps shouldn't be the automatic first choice, but that's the way it is. We've reached the stage where it's seen by users as the default. App icons on the homescreen can be seen, for many, as the modern alternative to bookmarks in the browser. And regarding "sharing a slick URL isn't always easy", perhaps the App Store is, for many users, the modern alternative to Google Search?
Businesses started advertising that they had an app because user's preferred apps, having had so many poor experiences with websites and web "apps" that the entire field was tainted.
This is 100% a "made your own bed" kind of thing. Again, the general standards among web apps for years were terrible, and users became accustomed that using a website on a mobile device was a brutal experience. Things have gotten a lot better, and honestly AI tooling should massively improve the space, but people really need to be honest about root causes.
I mean...a local grocery store advertises their "app" and it's just their website wrapped into a webview, and it is just total dogshit. Because they brough the extremely poor standards they have in their web domain into the app domain, and it simply doesn't transfer.
I don't agree with your thesis that users hated websites on mobile. It's not so much a question of being "honest about root causes" if consensus on the root cause doesn't really exist.
Apps initially looked like the fancy thing to do (so marketing departments loved them), and very quickly snowballed into becoming simply "the way it's done" on mobile.
Most of them are just their website wrapped into a webview. They're sometimes awful, but they mostly do the job well enough - exactly as well as if it was a website instead (coming back to this thread's article).
> Most of them are just their website wrapped into a webview.
Such as? Give some examples, which should be easy given that it's "most", right?
In the linked piece it details one that is so exceptionally trash that it is universally hated. I mean, ostensibly it isn't even allowed by appstore / play store rules, and it's a shit, lazy thing to do.
My thesis is that the standards for web teams were often much, much lower than for app teams. Where tolerance for shit, tolerance for slow and inconsistent behaviours, and so on was just much, much more common.
That is why there was such a fracture. And it's why the "webview wrapped website" is universally reviled trash.
Do websites have to be bad? Of course they don't. But the norms of the realm made users jaded.
> Because absolutely no one is marketing apps as being superior, but instead this is just the experience of users.
I guess you haven't used the mobile web? Practically any website you use covers half the page with a banner saying don't use the website, the app is SOOO much better.
Read a bit further and the reason they had the issue was their uncommon keyboard layout, which is one that requires holding the shift key to access numeric digits. This broke the input filtering logic.
From a worldwide perspective, it is incredibly uncommon, and just from the basics of this issue it is clearly uncommon in Switzerland as well. The standard keyboard layout in Switzerland is QWERTZ (across all of its language speakers). This website is generally only used by the Swiss.
I mean, if a basic authentication mechanism of a critical government website doesn't work with a keyboard layout, odds are incredibly likely that said keyboard layout is uncommon. Like not one of the developers, testers, stakeholders, or even other users had a problem -- and this isn't a problem you can just ignore -- so it probably isn't that big of a deal.
I'd understand a developer in e.g. America not being aware of it, but to one in Switzerland, France is right next door. A developer working on something as important as their government login system should be well aware of different keyboard layouts surrounding, and leaking into, their country.
Yes, I understand where France is relative to Switzerland. But the basic fact remains that not one of the developers or testers or stakeholders encountered this, and it was so rare apparently the very first person to encounter it -- given that it was literally a blocking issue, and not just some transient issue -- is the linked article.
Is it a regrettable bug that made a poor assumption that breaks in special cases? Sure. Is it "Dunning-Kruger" (groan), or some demonstration of how stupid the developers are? Give me a break.
The Dunning-Kruger thing wasn’t meant to disparage the developer and certainly not to call them stupid. It’s simply a reflection on not knowing what you don’t know and thinking you know more than you do. Everyone goes through that.
Right at the outset it opines that AI finding vulnerabilities ("allegedly") is useless because people have to verify those vulnerabilities, which is such a logically braindead bit of nonsense that I knew it was going to be worthless, and somehow it got even worse with every subsequent paragraph.
I get that there are people who are scared, and the change is coming fast and hard and there is a lot of doom and concerns, but good god do people think authoring or upvoting shit like the submitted nonsense is going to stem the tide or change the path? Pathetic.
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