FYI the IRGC is importing more invaders to prop up it's unpopular occupation regime, this time Pakistani militia are now being recruited into Iran to oppress/occupy the Iranian population and act in service of the occupation theocratic government:
"The roaming of the Islamic Republic's proxies in Iran; entry of "Zainabiyoun" of Pakistan after "Hashd al-Shaabi" of Iraq and "Fatemiyoun" of Afghanistan
Reports of the presence of forces affiliated with the Zainabiyoun Division of Pakistan have been published in various areas of Sistan and Baluchestan province."
Huh?? You are replying to a comment about a Free Speaker who was murdered point blank on a US street for protecting another Free Speaker who was being pepper sprayed for exercising their Free Speech!
Of course these 2 compare about as standing on a random pedestrian's toe compares to massacring a small city. Both regrettable in absolute terms, but not remotely comparable.
(why not just the numbers? Because the ICE deaths were definitely not intentional. Nobody gave anybody the order to fire. But Iran's killing of protestors was 100% intentional by the regime. In other words, aside from 2 versus 40.000, all 40.000 Iranian deaths count as 1st degree murder, including the massacre on children Iran's islamists committed)
As an American citizen my concern is the American regime shooting American citizens.
I'm not Iranian and I'm not there, but I'm here where ICE can "unintentionally" shot me.
And bringing numbers to make them look bad and justify the war doesn't help, because Israel killed much more in Gaza with the help of US government and corporations.
Plus, if these people even remotely cared about what's happening in the US, this is not what they'd be talking about. They want to support Iranian repression for their "pride". If anything, they want the US, long term, to become a dictatorial hellhole like Iran.
By what measure were the ICE killings not intentional? Lifting a dude you just shot to point out the holes in him to your friends not intentional enough for ya?
You should research how many civilians the US army killed in airstrikes alone before coming to false conclusions.
Yes, the mullah regime are monsters, but no lesser or bigger monster than the good-oiled machine the whole US economy is running on that is killing men, women and children by US service members through all of the command chain for glory, medals, and profit.
In Iran, not every commander went out to kill protesters, just like the majority of us soldiers wouldn’t rape and kill a pregnant Afghan woman.
Still, both militaries are very much comparable in the modern day atrocities they did to civilians. The US, unlike Iran on a global scale tho for decades. Iran didn’t go to war in Vietnam, for example, or nuke Japanese children and women.
Ahead of the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist atrocities, and the subsequent launch of the War on Terror, Airwars has been seeking the answer to one important question – how many civilians have US strikes likely killed in the ‘Forever Wars’?
We found that the US has declared at least 91,340 strikes across seven major conflict zones.
Our research has concluded that at least 22,679, and potentially as many as 48,308 civilians, have been likely killed by US strikes.
Between 2013 and 2020, for example, the United States carried out seven separate attacks in Yemen—six drone strikes and one raid—that killed 36 members of the intermarried Al Ameri and Al Taisy families. A quarter of them were children between the ages of three months and 14 years old. The survivors have been waiting for years for an explanation as to why they were repeatedly targeted.
In 2018, Adel Al Manthari, a civil servant in the Yemeni government, and four of his cousins—all civilians—were traveling by truck when an American missile slammed into their vehicle. Three of the men were killed instantly. Another died days later in a local hospital. Al Manthari was critically injured. Complications resulting from his injuries nearly killed him in 2022. He beseeched the US government to dip into the millions of dollars appropriated by Congress to compensate victims of American attacks, but they ignored his pleas. His limbs and life were eventually saved by the kindness of strangers via a crowdsourced GoFundMe campaign.
The same year that Al Manthari was maimed in Yemen, a US drone strike in Somalia killed at least three, and possibly five, civilians, including 22-year-old Luul Dahir Mohamed and her 4-year-old daughter Mariam Shilow Muse. The next year, a US military investigation acknowledged that a woman and child were killed in that attack, but concluded that their identities might never be known.
A 2021 investigation by New York Times reporter Azmat Khan revealed that the American air war in Iraq and Syria was marked by flawed intelligence and inaccurate targeting, resulting in the deaths of many innocents. Out of 1,311 military reports analyzed by Khan, only one cited a “possible violation” of the rules of engagement. None included a finding of wrongdoing or suggested a need for disciplinary action, while fewer than a dozen condolence payments were made. The US-led coalition eventually admitted to killing 1,410 civilians during the war in Iraq and Syria. Airwars, however, puts the number at 2,024.
During the Vietnam War, providing “solatia” was a way for the military to offer reparations for civilian injuries or deaths caused by US operations without having to admit any guilt. In 1968, the going rate for an adult life was $33. Children merited just half that.
In 1973, a B-52 Stratofortress dropped 30 tons of bombs on the Cambodian town of Neak Luong, killing hundreds of civilians and wounding hundreds more. The next of kin of those killed, according to press reports, were promised about $400 each.
Just a few days ago, they allegedly bombed a girls’ school and killed a bunch of children, again, allegedly based on false and outdated intel, something that can no longer be ignored as accidents but a pattern. Instead of putting safeguards in place so the stuff from the 2021 investigation doesn’t happen again, they now use even fewer humans in the killing loop and outsource a part of the decision-making to a technology that is by design flawed and hallucinating up to 35% of the time.
A chance we shouldn’t take if the result of error is innocent children getting turned to ash.
It’s the first time ever that I see cardinals and the church calling the secretary of defense/war a heretic. Think about that.
"Munich Cardinal Reinhard Marx has strongly condemned the misuse of religious language to justify war and violence. In his Easter Sunday sermon, the archbishop specifically criticized remarks by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth (who refers to himself as a “war minister”).
It is a “shameless blasphemy,” Marx said in Munich, to pray that in the context of a war—such as in Iran—every bullet may hit its target. Religion, he stressed, must not be instrumentalized to legitimize violence."
We are now at a point in history where after the crusades,
collateral damage is justified as "gods will", the commander in chief just today openly suggested war crimes and ended with "praise be to Allah". Absolute insanity.
I could keep going all day but I guess at this point in this comment most people will either feel sick or rather want to go back to chanting USA USA and looking the other way.
Okay. You only mention things on the US side. Iran is responsible for the bombing campaign in the Syrian civil war. Iran's islamists and hezbollah killed 80% of about 600000 civilians in that war, with Russian air support.
Which is at minimum 10 civilians for every civilian you accuse the US of, right there. Just in that one conflict, a few years ago. And on the list of Iranian islamist crimes we also find Yemen's civil war, the rise (and fall) of Daesh in Iraq (meaning Iran's islamists thought they would be able to reason and unite with another islamist faction, you know because they are religious nutcases too) ... nope. So they were both the cause and part of the solution to Daesh), the Iran-Iraq war, and of course they were involved in the Lebanese civil war (and still are).
So I'm very comfortable saying that 10x difference will easily become 40-50 taking all that into account (both the Yemeni civil war and the Iran-Iraq war had more victims than the Syrian civil war, and daesh also made large amounts of victims)
As for comparing with, say, the EU. The EU did nothing. Which is very cheap in terms of cost, but I doubt you will find many Ukrainians agreeing this minimized casualties. And I hardly think doing nothing is to be celebrated on a moral level.
Your arguments only hold merit if you compare the US against an absolute standard, where only 0 mistakes, 0 collateral damage is acceptable. You are taking an absolutist moral stance ...
How do you believe this shit. It took Israel a full year of 24/7 indiscriminate murder in Gaza to reach 30,000 dead civilians, and the entire place is rubble as a result. How in the god damn fuck do you think Iran killed that many people in one week without Tehran looking like Gaza?
Gullible brainwashed dolts can't even think for two seconds
We are in a really bad situation, of our own making no doubt.
We actually have no idea who's in charge of Iran (the stated ruler has yet to be seen and probably was severely injured in the same blast that killed Khamenei), but it's a pretty good bet that they are even more extreme and hard-line than before.
We've shown that Iran has complete and total control over the global economy via energy markets.
Every other country in the region wants Iran gone. Or to put it in more direct terms, the US kind of needs to "finish the job".
If we back down now, Iran wins, and that may actually be the worst possible situation to end up in.
To everyone who voted for Trump ... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. THANKS.
> To everyone who voted for Trump ... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. THANKS.
This conflict was obvious and inevitable (and called out by literally anyone with half a brain) and exactly what every single one of them voted for. Don’t ever let them pretend otherwise.
Trump would also have to navigate the loyalty the US state apparatus has to Israel. Iran has made it clear that the ceasefire option is off the table this time round. So I just don’t see the US extricating itself from this quagmire barring some extreme political upheaval.
But who knows, if you take Trump’s incompetence, plus the possibility of global economic collapse, plus the possibility of global food shortages, we just might see it.
Do you work in arms industry? Because unless you are the arms industry, wasting almost 1 billion dollars per day fighting a war that has nothing to do with us does not seem like "going pretty damn well"
Check their comment history. This account is either trolling or just spouting talking points, it is getting pretty tiring. They can't even be bothered to properly cut-and-paste, see the missing 'I' at the beginning of the comment above.
But I must be missing something.