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Culture issue. From How to Apply to Y Combinator[1] by Paul Graham:

"Please tell us about the time you most successfully hacked some (non-computer) system to your advantage."

> we’re not looking for the sort of obedient, middle-of-the-road people that big companies tend to hire. We’re looking for people who like to beat the system.

1: https://www.ycombinator.com/howtoapply.html



Nah

You can beat the system and be disobedient while still behaving ethically. In fact that's the very best time to beat the system and be disobedient.


Notice how the description never included the term "ethical". That's something you injected as an assumption to make a counter point.

Not blaming you, just highlighting the flaw in your argument. Because, the lack of mention of that word IS a culture issue.


> Because, the lack of mention of that word IS a culture issue.

or, how you interpret the question is part of the interview process...


That's really an apologist take on behalf of the world's largest VC whose companies have time and again proven ethics don't matter.


Sam Altman clearly has no qualms with lying and being unethical and eventually was at the front of Y Combinator, so that question either doesn’t care for ethics, doesn’t do a good job of filtering, or specifically filters in favour of unethical behaviour.


Or unethical people are hard to spot, in part due to, you know... their lack of ethics.


It’s well-known Brockman and his wife donated $25 million to MAGA Inc., the main super PAC supporting Donald Trump.

The main higher-level factor is our patriarchal culture (and more bad things tend to stem from places where that’s intense).


Not sure what this has to do with Sam being hired at YC 10 years ago


Fair. An interesting question: how quickly can we detect something without being thwarted by anisotropy / the multiplicity of backward paths? ie- retrodiction

Let’s organize the temporal order a bit. This is what some research turned up.

“Groups of senior employees, concerned with Altman’s leadership and lack of transparency, asked Loopt’s board on two occasions to fire him as C.E.O., according to Hagey.”

“As Mark Jacobstein, an older Loopt employee who was asked by investors to act as Altman’s “babysitter,” later told Keach Hagey, for “The Optimist,” a biography of Altman, “There’s a blurring between ‘I think I can maybe accomplish this thing’ and ‘I have already accomplished this thing’ that in its most toxic form leads to Theranos,” Elizabeth Holmes’s fraudulent startup.”

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/veLhW

I read he’s a vegetarian out of concern for animals, and that’s a good moral sign (but perhaps less relevant here).

Are / were there precursor concerns arising to signal back then? I don’t know.


I'm quite confident that the error was:

"Despite potential warning signs, we believe Sam to be an ethical person"

and not

"We know that Sam is an unethical person, but that's either not a problem, or an actual asset when it comes to running our venture fund"

The former is definitely still an error, but it's quite different from the accusation being leveled on this thread.


I agree. I don't think there's much public information out there about the due diligence involved in his hiring.


> Or unethical people are hard to spot

That’s covered by my options: “doesn’t do a good job of filtering”.

> due to, you know... their lack of ethics.

Being unethical and being able to hide it are entirely orthogonal.


Those are definitely not entirely orthogonal. Especially in business where most unethical behavior starts with or is sustained by deception – which is itself unethical – the two are very much related.


And, if YC is paying attention, this question might make a good filter for the unethical folks who’re willing to admit to their misdeeds.


That's literally what they're looking for. To filter out ethical founders.


Sure, that's possible, but the question is, is that what's actually happening?


Yes, by and large the vast majority of the thousands of companies that YC invests in are probably behaving within ethical boundaries.

While there's no shortage of horror stories and I think greater scrutiny/criticism is warranted, I doubt that it's an actual criminal organization.


The gap between ethical and illegal is large, murky, and profitable. Many companies live there and do quite well.


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wat

pretty sure PG and sama had a pretty serious falling out because it turns out sama is a complete snake

but you know, go off king (or whatever)


I think the person you are replying to was referring to Gary tan


I think something like "figuring out a way to stack the odds in your favour in a gameshow" would fit that bill, and that seems fairly innocuous to me.

Though full disclosure: I did that, so that might colour my view. https://vincenttunru.com/hacking-a-gameshow/


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You're a racist.

The way to tell between that and factual / culturally-fluent: were you able to any strengths of other cultures? Weaknesses of your own?

Or did you go off on an (in this case ill-informed) rant about "they bad"?

The way to cure it is a mixture of reading: business books on culture (like Meyer and Hofstede) and NATO ones. Those are places people need to work together, as opposed to woke ideology.

Then, application. Travel is good here.


You do not get to be stupid here.

I can support each statement:

A significant number of cybercrime today is committed by people from the former Soviet Bloc.

A significant number of intellectual property theft is committed by people from East Asia.

A significant number of rape in Europe is committed by people from Southeast Asia.

A significant number of managers here, with roots in India, only hire people with roots in India.

A significant number of forcibly retracted academic papers are by Asians, even in journals with major ownership stakes by the Chinese government. In contrast, a significant number of voluntarily retracted academic papers are by Westerners.

A significant number of Medicare and Medicaid fraud convictions in the past twenty years have been of people from the former Soviet Bloc and Asia.

A significant number of scams defrauding US victims remotely and in person, in the past decade, have been committed by crime rings out of West Africa, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe.

That’s not racist. It is unfortunate reality.

If you blindly hire employees without regard to their cultural background, which includes ethnic origin and national identities, even religious beliefs, you are doing a disservice to your organization and your hires.

These former Apple employees were set up to fail by multiple layers of management that did nothing to curb theft, instill loyalty, and train these people that Asian beliefs about intellectual property are considered disloyalty here.


The problem is your last two paragraphs. The rest is, as you say, unfortunate reality. But in your last two paragraphs, you go from "a significant number of problems are caused by people from these places" to "you should treat all people from these places with suspicion". That's where it turns into racism.


I appreciate your comment, but disagree where you label discernment and cultural literacy as racism.



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